From root@server.t-hosting.hu Tue Feb 7 15:10:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C46D16A420 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:10:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@server.t-hosting.hu) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [217.20.133.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9706C43D53 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:10:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@server.t-hosting.hu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8D79983E5; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 72055-02; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix, from userid 0) id 5D62A9983C3; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:26 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20060207151026.5D62A9983C3@server.t-hosting.hu> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:10:26 +0100 (CET) From: Gabor Kovesdan Reply-To: Gabor Kovesdan To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Gabor Kovesdan Subject: [patch] mailto.sgml X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 X-GNATS-Notify: >Number: 92973 >Category: www >Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: gabor >State: closed >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Feb 07 15:20:04 GMT 2006 >Closed-Date: Sat Apr 14 14:06:30 GMT 2007 >Last-Modified: Sat Apr 14 14:06:30 GMT 2007 >Originator: Gabor Kovesdan >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p17 amd64 >Organization: n/a >Environment: >Description: s/CDROM/CD-ROM/ for consistency. It's used in this way on the website. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- mailto.sgml.diff begins here --- --- mailto.sgml.orig Tue Feb 7 16:05:57 2006 +++ mailto.sgml Tue Feb 7 16:06:59 2006 @@ -29,7 +29,7 @@

Snail mail, phone and fax

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For CDROM orders: The FreeBSD Mall

+

For CD-ROM orders: The FreeBSD Mall

For commercial support: The FreeBSD Mall

--- mailto.sgml.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Fri Feb 10 14:38:58 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: Actually, it isn't. The occurences of 'CDROM' are far more in number than those of 'CD-ROM', so I don't think it's worth changing just this one: $ cd /w/bsd/www/en $ find . -type f | fgrep -v /CVS/ | xargs fgrep 'CDROM' | wc -l 2410 $ find . -type f | fgrep -v /CVS/ | xargs fgrep 'CD-ROM' | wc -l 517 Thanks for the helpful PR, but unless there is a very good reason to start making sweeps for s/CDROM/CD-ROM/ in the site it's probably just not worth it to change these one by one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92973 State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Fri Feb 10 15:36:15 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: Pav has suggested that this is a valid change. Reopen the PR, so we can use it to track down this and other similar changes to www/ for s/CDROM/CD-ROM/. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92973 From: Ceri Davies To: pav@FreeBSD.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD gnats submit Subject: Re: www/92973: [patch] mailto.sgml Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:21:02 +0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-15-219989358 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 10 Feb 2006, at 15:18, Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas p=ED=9Ae v p=E1 10. 02. 2006 v 14:41 +0000: >> Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml >> >> State-Changed-From-To: open->closed >> State-Changed-By: keramida >> State-Changed-When: Fri Feb 10 14:38:58 UTC 2006 >> State-Changed-Why: >> Actually, it isn't. The occurences of 'CDROM' are far more >> in number than those of 'CD-ROM', so I don't think it's worth >> changing just this one: >> >> $ cd /w/bsd/www/en >> $ find . -type f | fgrep -v /CVS/ | xargs fgrep 'CDROM' | wc -l >> 2410 >> $ find . -type f | fgrep -v /CVS/ | xargs fgrep 'CD-ROM' | wc -l >> 517 >> >> Thanks for the helpful PR, but unless there is a very good >> reason to start making sweeps for s/CDROM/CD-ROM/ in the site >> it's probably just not worth it to change these one by one. > > I think you should be changing them, and it does not matter if one =20 > at a > time or sweeping. > > CD-ROM spelling is required by Documentation Primer. You know it would be a lot less work to remove that line from the =20 Primer :) Seriously though, there is no need for a PR; this should just be something cultural along the lines of -> . ceri --Apple-Mail-15-219989358 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFD7L1vme8yCsQvJJ0RAlI/AJ4nsXlcoUuc32CLYkrlCkMVmVVBNgCgt42V UHTPLjUwQ2lS4BCo032zpBE= =7/UF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-15-219989358-- State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: remko State-Changed-When: Sun Mar 12 14:00:01 UTC 2006 State-Changed-Why: This should be ongoing work as ceri pointed out, like converting tags to their appropriate role etc. We can do that when we work in the section of the documentation anyway. I will suspend this PR for that reason. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92973 State-Changed-From-To: suspended->open State-Changed-By: gabor State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->gabor Responsible-Changed-By: gabor Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 Responsible-Changed-Why: Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92973 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Gabor Kovesdan Cc: gabor.kovesdan&@-hosting.hu, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/92973: [patch] mailto.sgml Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:11:54 +0200 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:22:54PM +0000, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml > > State-Changed-From-To: suspended->open > State-Changed-By: gabor > State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 > State-Changed-Why: > Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and > style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do > that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. > > > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->gabor > Responsible-Changed-By: gabor > Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 > Responsible-Changed-Why: > Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and > style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do > that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. > I think it should stay suspended or simply closed as it was the case for previous PRs regarding this particular spelling. The spelling CDROM has a particular meaning/reason relative to FreeBSD: ftp.cdrom.com and Walnut Creeks CDROM. It's part of FreeBSD (and docproj) history. And the beginning of the PR proposing s/CDROMs/CD-ROMs/ for the CDROMs box set from FreeBSDmall is a blasphemy :-)) -- Marc From: Gabor Kovesdan To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/92973: [patch] mailto.sgml Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:29:29 +0200 Marc Fonvieille schrieb: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:22:54PM +0000, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > >> Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml >> >> State-Changed-From-To: suspended->open >> State-Changed-By: gabor >> State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 >> State-Changed-Why: >> Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and >> style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do >> that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. >> >> >> Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->gabor >> Responsible-Changed-By: gabor >> Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 >> Responsible-Changed-Why: >> Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and >> style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do >> that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. >> >> > > I think it should stay suspended or simply closed as it was the case for > previous PRs regarding this particular spelling. > The spelling CDROM has a particular meaning/reason relative to FreeBSD: > ftp.cdrom.com and Walnut Creeks CDROM. It's part of FreeBSD (and > docproj) history. And the beginning of the PR proposing s/CDROMs/CD-ROMs/ > for the CDROMs box set from FreeBSDmall is a blasphemy :-)) > > Ok, than what about fixing the fdp-primer? It explicitly says CD-ROM should be used: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style-word-list.html Gabor From: Gabor Kovesdan To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/92973: [patch] mailto.sgml Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:33:09 +0200 Marc Fonvieille schrieb: > On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:22:54PM +0000, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > >> Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml >> >> State-Changed-From-To: suspended->open >> State-Changed-By: gabor >> State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 >> State-Changed-Why: >> Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and >> style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do >> that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. >> >> >> Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->gabor >> Responsible-Changed-By: gabor >> Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 >> Responsible-Changed-Why: >> Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and >> style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't do >> that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. >> >> > > I think it should stay suspended or simply closed as it was the case for > previous PRs regarding this particular spelling. > The spelling CDROM has a particular meaning/reason relative to FreeBSD: > ftp.cdrom.com and Walnut Creeks CDROM. It's part of FreeBSD (and > docproj) history. And the beginning of the PR proposing s/CDROMs/CD-ROMs/ > for the CDROMs box set from FreeBSDmall is a blasphemy :-)) > > Ok, than what about fixing the fdp-primer? It explicitly says CD-ROM should be used: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style-word-list.html Gabor From: Marc Fonvieille To: Gabor Kovesdan Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/92973: [patch] mailto.sgml Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:59:07 +0200 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 03:29:29PM +0200, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Marc Fonvieille schrieb: > >On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 12:22:54PM +0000, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > > > >>Synopsis: [patch] mailto.sgml > >> > >>State-Changed-From-To: suspended->open > >>State-Changed-By: gabor > >>State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 > >>State-Changed-Why: > >>Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and > >>style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't > >>do > >>that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. > >> > >> > >>Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->gabor > >>Responsible-Changed-By: gabor > >>Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 12:21:07 UTC 2007 > >>Responsible-Changed-Why: > >>Well, I think it is still relevant. I we don't respect our consistency and > >>style rules, the translations that grow from the original documents won't > >>do > >>that either. I'll sweep the webpages and make this consistent. > >> > >> > > > >I think it should stay suspended or simply closed as it was the case for > >previous PRs regarding this particular spelling. > >The spelling CDROM has a particular meaning/reason relative to FreeBSD: > >ftp.cdrom.com and Walnut Creeks CDROM. It's part of FreeBSD (and > >docproj) history. And the beginning of the PR proposing s/CDROMs/CD-ROMs/ > >for the CDROMs box set from FreeBSDmall is a blasphemy :-)) > > > > > Ok, than what about fixing the fdp-primer? It explicitly says CD-ROM > should be used: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style-word-list.html > Commit log from the Revision 1.43 (the one responsible of the addition of this spelling): --- Change CDROM to CD-ROM in the word list, since the later seems to be most widely used. This is not really a change of policy, just documenting the current de facto policy. Quoting blackend (but don't blame this commit on him): CD-ROM seems to be the more widely used spelling, most of new additions use CD-ROM, "legacy" docs use CDROM. Since CD-ROM may be seen as the right solution, let's keep the old spelling for the moment and just use CD-ROM in every new additions. Semi-intresting google statistics: 9,950,000 hits for CDROM, 28,800,000 hits for "CD-ROM". --- This confirm what other persons suggested to you in the PR follow-ups. -- Marc State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: gabor State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 14 14:05:39 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: OK, closing this after the discussion with blackend@. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=92973 >Unformatted: